Showing posts with label Trent Horn. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Trent Horn. Show all posts

Wednesday, June 28, 2023

The Way Christian Counter-Apologetics Should Be Done

"In this episode, @TheCounselofTrent responds to critics like Paulogia and Candida Moss who critique the evidence for the Resurrection in the apostle's willingness to die for their faith in Christ."

One of my favorite Christian counter-apologist is the YouTuber Paulogia. Click on the link below for an example of his knowledge and skill in debunking Christian dogma. In this example, he picks apart virtually every statement of Trent Horn, one of my least favorite people, let alone apologists (link to my prior blog posts addressing his actions), regarding his claim that, because the apostles died for their beliefs, Jesus' resurrection is true. Oh, also read at least some of the comments, as there are essentially none that support Trent:

This Resurrection Argument Doesn't Add Up (Trent Horn response)

Thursday, July 4, 2019

Obfuscation Exposed

Obfuscateto be evasive, unclear, or confusing (link)

I was invited on Catholic apologist Trent Horn's podcast recently to follow up on an email I sent to him challenging his reliance on philosophy in support of his Catholic faith and to clarify the obligation that atheists have regarding truth claims. 

Trent focused on defending his use of philosophy by interrupting me frequently with non-pertinent questions. When I attempted to present the value of science he cut me short without essentially addressing what points I was able to make. He stated that we must think "really hard." If this failure to listen "really hard" to another point of view is any indication, he has a long way to go to an open, inquisitive mind.

Here is the podcast (link). What do you think? I think it was a typical apologetic obfuscation.

(Here is the link I mentioned in the podcast.)

Monday, May 6, 2019

Are Atheists Open-Minded?

Trent Horn is a Catholic apologist and posted a 2-min video with the above title. Following is a script of such, with my comments (in red):


Many atheists I talk to say, “Of course, I’m open-minded, show me the evidence or proof that God exists and I’ll believe.”

But when they are presented with proofs (no, they are unsupported claims only) for the existence of God those same atheists will say, “That’s just fallacious God of the gaps reasoning (yes, it is). Your evidence for God comes from ignorance. You say, ‘I don’t know what caused the Big Bang, therefore God did it.’ I’d rather wait for science to provide the correct explanation and not rush to put God in a gap of my knowledge.” (true)

But if you say that any possible evidence for God isn’t good enough (who says that? not any atheist I know), then you aren’t really open-minded. You assumed beforehand that no evidence is good enough so you’ve already made up your mind beforehand. (no)

If you’re an atheist take a minute and try to honestly answer this question: What specific evidence would convince you that God exists? (I don’t know, but God would) Don’t say what type of evidence would convince you; come up with a specific example. A common one I hear is that if after praying an amputated limb grew back, then that person would believe in God. But isn’t that a God of the gaps argument? Aren’t you saying, “I don’t know what caused this limb to grow back, therefore God did it?” (there is much further to go before such an extraordinary claim is excepted, especially since many lower animals can do this)


The arguments for the existence of God don’t take the form of “I don’t know, therefore God.” Instead, they take the form of, “There are good reasons to believe effect X can never be explained naturally, therefore it must have a supernatural explanation, or God.” (THIS IS the “God of the Gaps” argument!! In science, NOTHING is assumed to have a supernatural explanation. Give an example of something we don’t presently know that “we have a good reason” to believe it never can be explained naturally.)

If you agree that limbs can’t come into existence from nothing (many lower animals can do it) and therefore any such regrown limbs require a divine cause (no), then if the universe came into existence from nothing (no evidence for such), wouldn’t that require a divine cause? If not, why not? (no, because the whole paragraph is a strawman fallacy)

If you’re truly open-minded, then check out the reasons for God that the best philosophers past and present have put forward (philosophy is not evidence, it is only claims). Even if they don’t convince you, at least after critically examining them you’ll be able to say why they don’t convince you. (all syllogisms for a God have a least one false premise) That’s better than just assuming they don’t succeed and not bothering to do some critical thinking on one of the most important questions of all time. (just because a question is important doesn't give license to accept claims for answers without evidence)


https://understandrealitythroughscience.blogspot.com/2019/05/are-atheists-open-minded.html





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